Still in dialogue with himself, Shantideva continues to pose questions and answers from the perspectives of the Shravakayana and Mahayana adherents. The questioner continues to ask whether a meditator must fully experience emptiness on order to be free from samsara because, he muses, once they have let go clinging as a result of deep and profound meditation, are they not liberated?
Again, this is refuted from the Mahayana perspective because, they say, the more subtle defilements resulting from ignorance remain, and then through the kleshas, samsara continues. These kleshas or mind poisons are only fully eliminated once all conceptual thinking has ended. This in turn only occurs once voidness is completely realised through understanding the Four Noble Truths, and has become the basis of all understanding and activity.
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